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Poster: Reade Date: Jul 4, 2019 11:30am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Gary Duncan - RIP

That excerpt reminded me of that comment Jerry made about Kreutzmann once: "He was a different guy, really. Not somebody I would have known otherwise."

I guess Freiberg was convicted of possession as well?, now that you made me look this stuff up. What's the deal with all that for heavens sake..

"When I grew up, guitar players were bad motherfuckers. Every guitar player I ever met was a nasty son-of-bitch, because you had to be. I had a guy walk up to me one time and punch me straight in the face when I was about 14 years old. I hit him in the back of the head with a Telecaster; he’s walking with a limp, now. I done him in. You had to fight to play."

Um, what?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 4, 2019 12:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Gary Duncan - RIP

Holy crap...maybe this is where all those out of towners that looked down on the SF sound and scene were coming from...the comments by CREAM members that you played to earn $$, period, and it was a tough job you better be good at (ie, better than all the competition). No wonder the DEAD so surprised EC, Baker and Bruce (in some ways, I think EC took it more positively, in the sense that he saw something unique in Jerry et al. playing for free, etc.). Elvin Bishop and the others arriving and think that nobody can really play, blah, blah, blah...

I guess what we are seeing is that some of the older founders of the SF scene bands had some of that same "working class" (loosely speaking) backbone behind their musicianship, eh?

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Poster: Reade Date: Jul 4, 2019 12:30pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Gary Duncan - RIP

Don't leave Mike Bloomfield off the list of early doubters!

Those British guys who grew up in that really bleak post war period, London in rubble, etc., certainly had great reason to feel that way. Whereas our guys grew up in that post-war 50s boom here prompting them to wax philosophic about leading 'an uncluttered life,' as Jerry did in that '67 interview. Play for free? It's a beautiful day, we've got weed, friends, gear, electricity and a flatbed truck. Why the fuck not?
Very different kinds of guys hailing from diverse circumstances.
And yes, there were some this side of the pond who mirrored that gritty, working class attitude the Brits had.

As for styles of music, I always thought musicians gravitated towards the kind they wanted to play. Then later I realized musicians like to play music but what they liked better was to be paid for it. The glorious tidbit in Parrish's book, about the drummer who spent all day taping an episode of The Lawrence Welk Show, then showing up for his Jerry Band gig that evening still dressed in his yellow plastic suit, his LWS 'work clothes,' really drove that point home for me. Kruetzmann I'll submit only became the drummer he did, turning on a dime and all that, once he found himself presented with an opportunity to become that guy! As a non-musician, that kind thing will always blow my mind.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 4, 2019 1:45pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Gary Duncan - RIP

We're of like minds--my older brother lived in London in the mid 60s and he often pointed out that aspect in discussions w me in later yrs (their bleak post war experiences; imagine the comparison of me w my fritos, twinkies and cheese nips [hmm, no wonder I am now approaching Jerry's mass] as a kid w their mom's being rationed thru the 1950s...ugh).

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Poster: Reade Date: Jul 4, 2019 2:03pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Gary Duncan - RIP

You won't find me saying anything bad about Fritos!

I saw the drummer for Pink Floyd on a TV show and he said he believes his generation of musicians were so enamored with those American blues artists and records as a result of feeling like they were the N-words of Europe in that post war period. Makes total sense. Germany was getting rebuilt by the victors, Paris was intact- never got bombed, the US was off and running with it's phenomenal post-war economic expansion, and what of England? Left to its own devices. Ouch. That analysis was remarkable to me.